2012 Stud Fees
by TFTribe on Nov 16, 2011 2:22 PM EST
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PrintUpdated as January 17th. I think Scat Daddy's fee has gone up again, but I'm leaving it as is until Coolmore publishes the change. -TF
I was looking thru some of the articles today at Thoroughbred Times and figured I'd compile the stud fees of the major 12 or so breeding sheds out there. A couple notes: Private may mean limited numbers of dates, only high level mares will be approved, or the price is astronomical; all prices should be for live foal guarantee; and all prices are negotiable, to a point. Most prices are 2012 prices, some are still 2011, but that should be mostly negligible. Stallions in Canada are prices in Canadian dollars.
If I missed something important, please let me know. This just just trying to encompass the major stud operations in Lexington and elsewhere. I know I've missed something major, so just bring it up and I'll add it in. This is just a reference for anyone who is interested (and for me to come back to instead of having to search each farm/stallion separately when I forget how much it costs for each stallion.)
Corrections: Henny Hughes was a typo (corrected from 125k to 12.5k); Midshipman was a typo (corrected from 125k to 12.5k); Indian Charlie noted as deceased;
| Farm | Stallion | Fee | Location |
| Adena Springs | Red Bullet | Private | KY |
| Adena Springs | Awesome Again | $50,000 | KY |
| Adena Springs | Ghostzapper | $20,000 | KY |
| Adena Springs | Macho Uno | $15,000 | KY |
| Adena Springs | Milwaukee Brew | $12,500 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | North Light | $10,000 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Touch Gold | $10,000 | NY |
| Adena Springs | Einstein | $7,500 | KY |
| Adena Springs | Sligo Bay | $6,000 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Alphabet Soup | $6,000 | NY |
| Adena Springs | Giacomo | $5,000 | CA |
| Adena Springs | Showing Up | $5,000 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Wilko | $5,000 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Plan | $5,000 | KY |
| Adena Springs | Silent Name | $5,000 | NY |
| Adena Springs | Tiago | $5,000 | NY |
| Adena Springs | Giant Gizmo | $4,000 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Harlem Rocker | $3,500 | NY |
| Adena Springs | Mast Track | $2,500 | Canada |
| Adena Springs | Singing Saint | $2,500 | Canada |
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| Airdrie | Include | $12,500 | KY |
| Airdrie | Divine Park | $10,000 | KY |
| Airdrie | Flashy Bull | $10,000 | KY |
| Airdrie | Majesticperfection | $8,500 | KY |
| Airdrie | Brother Derek | $7,500 | KY |
| Airdrie | Proud Citizen | $7,500 | KY |
| Airdrie | Badge of Silver | $6,000 | KY |
| Airdrie | Stevie Wonderboy | $5,000 | KY |
| Airdrie | Istan | $3,500 | KY |
| Ashford | Giant's Causeway | $85,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Uncle Mo | $35,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Lookin at Lucky | $30,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Tale of the Cat | $30,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Henrythenavigator | $25,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Cape Blanco | $17,500 | KY |
| Ashford | Scat Daddy | $17,500 | KY |
| Ashford | Fusaichi Pegasus | $15,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Grand Slam | $12,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Dunkirk | $10,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Majestic Warrior | $10,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Munnings | $10,000 | KY |
| Ashford | Thunder Gulch | $10,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | War Front | $60,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Pulpit | $50,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Blame | $35,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Arch | $30,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | First Samurai | $15,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Flatter | $15,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Eddington | $5,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Horse Greeley | $5,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Stroll | $5,000 | KY |
| Claiborne | Parading | 3500 | KY |
| Crestwood | Nobizlikeshowbiz | Private | KY |
| Crestwood | Unbridled Energy | $6,000 | KY |
| Crestwood | Kipling | $5,000 | KY |
| Crestwood | Noble Causeway | $5,000 | KY |
| Crestwood | Tizdejavu | $5,000 | KY |
| Crestwood | Taste of Paradise | $3,500 | KY |
| Darby Dan | Ambassador (Ger) | Private | KY |
| Darby Dan | Repriced | Private | KY |
| Darby Dan | Quintus Sertorius | Private | KY |
| Darby Dan | Tale of Ekati | $15,000 | KY |
| Darby Dan | Sun King | $10,000 | KY |
| Darby Dan | Magna Graduate | $5,000 | KY |
| Darby Dan | Run Away and Hide | $5,000 | KY |
| Darley | Bernardini | $150,000 | KY |
| Darley | Street Cry | $150,000 | KY |
| Darley | Henny Hughes | $12,500 | KY |
| Darley | Midshipman | $12,500 | KY |
| Darley | Medaglia d'Oro | $100,000 | KY |
| Darley | Elusive Quality | $50,000 | KY |
| Darley | Hard Spun | $40,000 | KY |
| Darley | Street Sense | $40,000 | KY |
| Darley | Lonhro | $30,000 | KY |
| Darley | Any Given Saturday | $15,000 | KY |
| Darley | Girolamo | $15,000 | KY |
| Darley | Quiet American | $15,000 | KY |
| Darley | Street Boss | $15,000 | KY |
| Darley | Discreet Cat | $12,500 | KY |
| Darley | Rockport Harbor | $12,500 | KY |
| Darley | Desert Party | $10,000 | KY |
| Darley | Holy Bull | $10,000 | KY |
| Darley | Regal Ransom | $7,500 | KY |
| Gainesway | Tapit | $125,000 | KY |
| Gainesway | Afleet Alex | $20,000 | KY |
| Gainesway | Corinthian | $17,500 | KY |
| Gainesway | Hat Trick | $15,000 | KY |
| Gainesway | Birdstone | $10,000 | KY |
| Gainesway | Smoke Glacken | $10,000 | KY |
| Gainesway | Orientate | $7,500 | KY |
| Gainesway | Afleet Express | $6,500 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Stormy Atlantic | $40,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Zensational | $20,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Midnight Lute | $15,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Roman Ruler | $15,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | El Corredor | $10,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Indygo Shiner | $10,000 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Concord Point | $7,500 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Harlington | $7,500 | KY |
| Hill 'n' Dale | Misremembered | $7,500 | KY |
| Juddmonte | First Defence | $7,500 | KY |
| Juddmonte | Conformation | $7,500 | KY |
| Lane's End | Morning Line | Pending | KY |
| Lane's End | Smart Strike | $85,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Candy Ride | $50,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Curlin | $40,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Lemon Drop Kid | $35,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Mineshaft | $35,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Quality Road | $35,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | English Channel | $25,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | City Zip | $20,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Rock Hard Ten | $20,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Discreetly Mine | $15,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Langfuhr | $15,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Twirling Candy | $15,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Courageous Cat | $10,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Pleasantly Perfect | $10,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | Shakespeare | $10,000 | KY |
| Lane's End | After Market | $7,500 | KY |
| Lane's End | Stephen Got Even | $7,500 | KY |
| Lane's End | Belong to Me | $5,000 | KY |
| Northview Stallion Station | E Dubai | $10,000 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Jump Start | $10,000 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Smarty Jones | $7,500 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Silver Train | $7,000 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Fairbanks | $6,500 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Medallist | $3,500 | PA |
| Northview Stallion Station | Love of Money | $2,500 | PA |
| Pin Oak | Broken Vow | $25,000 | KY |
| Pin Oak | Sky Classic | $10,000 | KY |
| Pin Oak | Bob and John | $8,000 | KY |
| Pin Oak | Cowboy Cal | $7,500 | KY |
| Ramsey Farm | Kitten's Joy | $50,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Malibu Moon | $70,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Tizway | $25,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Paddy O'Prado | $15,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Warrior's Reward | $15,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Tiz Wonderful | $12,500 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Court Vision | $10,000 | Canada |
| Spendthrift | Archarcharch | $10,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Into Mischief | $7,500 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Line of David | $7,500 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Notional | $7,500 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Dublin | $7,500 | NY |
| Spendthrift | Wilburn | $6,500 | KY |
| Spendthrift | Victor's Cry | $5,000 | Canada |
| Spendthrift | Temple City | $5,000 | KY |
| Spendthrift | My Pal Charlie | $3,000 | LA |
| Three Chimneys | Dynaformer | $150,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Big Brown | $35,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Sky Mesa | $30,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Exchange Rate | $25,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Point Given | $20,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Yes It's True | $15,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | War Chant | $10,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Flower Alley | $7,500 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Red Giant | $6,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Good Reward | $5,000 | KY |
| Three Chimneys | Lewis Michael | $3,000 | KY |
| Vinery | More Than Ready | $60,000 | KY |
| Vinery | Congrats | $35,000 | KY |
| Vinery | Bluegrass Cat | $17,500 | NY |
| Vinery | Pioneer of the Nile | $15,000 | KY |
| Vinery | Pomeroy | $10,000 | FL |
| Vinery | Posse | $10,000 | NY |
| Vinery | Pure Prize | $7,500 | KY |
| Vinery | D'wildcat | $6,500 | FL |
| Vinery | Kodiak Kowboy | $6,500 | KY |
| Vinery | Kantharos | $5,000 | FL |
| Vinery | Limehouse | $5,000 | KY |
| Vinery | Street Hero | $5,000 | KY |
| Vinery | Frost Giant | $5,000 | NY |
| Vinery | Backtalk | $3,500 | FL |
| Vinery | Maimonides | $3,500 | FL |
| Vinery | Benny the Bull | $3,500 | KY |
| Vinery | D'Funnybone | $3,500 | NY |
| Vinery | Friendly Island | $3,500 | NY |
| Vinery | Giant Surprise | $3,500 | NY |
| Walmac | Ready's Image | $65,000 | KY |
| Walmac | Successful Appeal | $15,000 | KY |
| Walmac | Songandaprayer | $6,500 | KY |
| Walmac | Hat Trick | $6,000 | KY |
| Walmac | Bandini | $5,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Distored Humor | $100,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Tiznow | $75,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Speightstown | $50,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Harlan's Holiday | $25,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Bellamy Road | $20,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Super Saver | $20,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Colonel John | $15,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Sidney's Candy | $15,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Summer Bird | $15,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Artie Schiller | $10,000 | KY |
| WinStar | Sharp Humor | $7,500 | KY |
| WinStar | Spring at Last | $7,500 | KY |
| WinStar | Hold Me Back | $6,000 | KY |
| WinStar | U S Ranger | $5,000 | KY |
| Wintergreen Stallion Station | Pollard's Vision | $12,500 | KY |
| Wintergreen Stallion Station | Borrego | $10,000 | KY |
| Wintergreen Stallion Station | Neko Bay | $7,500 | KY |
| Wintergreen Stallion Station | Elite Squadron | $5,000 | KY |
| Wintergreen Stallion Station | Five Star Day | $5,000 | KY |
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Great list, thanks for putting that together
Kitten’s Joy at $50k… I’ll call him the “Keeneland Special.”
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Great Stuff, TFT....
To my way of thinking, though…if you had 100k to spend, wouldn’t it be better, as an owner, to spend that on 20 5k’s from the list above, than a single shot from, say, Distorted Humor. I realize there would be substantially more cost in terms of having a string of 20 yearlings, but then, you’d have a lot more arrows in the air, hence, more of a chance of hitting a bullsye…..
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Well kinda...
If you have 20 pedestrian mares, sure. But when you have a really good, black type mare you are looking to hit big. Dynaformer is so much due to the fact that he is extremely consistent in putting quality into foals. 2.5k stallions are that much money since they are either low quality or incredibly inconsistent.
If you’re looking for a big stakes winner, which everyone is, you really have to be smart about it. If, like most breeders that aren’t a huge commercial operation, you have a handful of mares, you need to be more specific about the stallion you choose than just price. It specific matching of size, distances, and value that lends to who you will choose. If that makes sense.
It Does....
but I am talking about an even-broader approach, I think. One that would include looking at the mare’s pedigree as well and putting a real empahsis on out-cross breeding along the lines of Einstein and Animal Kingdom. If I were in the breeding game, I would be hoping to hit the jackpot with a horse that didn’t involve all the regular bloodlines and hence I would think more spins at that roulette table would be worthwhile.
Of course, unless something big happens down the line, I doubt I’ll ever be in the breeding game!
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
I agree with you in theory
However, when you’re trying to eek out a profit from each and every mare and their foal, experimentation is hard to come by. If I had my druthers (and the cash to support it), I’d get extremely creative. But your options are limited by the physical capital you have and the need to run a business. When you have a foal whose stud fee was 5k, a reasonable profit would be selling it for 8k (60% profit), however, you are into it for way more than that for feed, bedding, etc. You can’t really make money that way.
My human capital is endless, hence my interest in the breeding side of things at all. But ultimately, I either need to sell a foal or race it, all while minimizing my risk. That’s why I prefer milers to any of the extremes. The standard deviation that can be expected from the ancestry’s performance should still put you within an acceptable distance for being successful on the track in North America. That is all theoretical, of course. But assuming there is a standard deviation that can be determined from the randomness of meiosis, you have to hedge your bets.
Now if I have unlimited money and space on my farm, sure, I’d spread the risk around to as many foals as possible, all while outcrossing and hoping I get a SW in the bunch. But unfortunately, you’re limited by the number of mares you own, their pedigree and performance, the space you have on the farm, the costs you incur by having the foals on the farm, and ultimately the capital you have at your disposal. But at that point, your 100k in stud fees has turned into 200k in boarding fees. So you have to minimize expenditures across the entire spectrum of care, if you will.
I rambled throughout, but I think it gets my opinion through.
Not Rambling At All...
It makes perfect sense. Even a brief conversation such as this one impresses upon me how much money it takes to be in the elite part of the game – the reason I guess so many Sheiks are involved. But it does kind of baffle me that I can get four shots of Einsten for the price of one shot Uncle Mo, who is totally unproven at this point.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Yup.
Freshman Stallions are a complete unknown, but they’re a huge gamble that could payoff. They’re clearly banking on his fame being the driving factor for breeders coming to him. I’d be willing to be that you’ll see a lot of his foals in 2013 go straight to the auction ring just due to notoriety.
But I wouldn’t get within spitting distance of Uncle Mo no matter what the price. I just don’t see his potential as a great sire.
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